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Benjamin Netanyahu's Important Message Tuesday, September 25, 2001 This partial transcript from Hannity & Colmes, September 24, 2001 was provided by the Federal Document Clearing House. Click here to order last night's entire transcript. Send your comments to: hannity@foxnews.com or colmes@foxnews.com HANNITY: As we continue on HANNITY & COLMES -- welcome back to our coverage of the war on terror. I'm Sean Hannity. Israel's former prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is calling on America lawmakers to ensure that nuclear weapons never make their way into terrorists' hands. So how does he think we can make that happen? Benjamin Netanyahu joins us now. We have a lot to learn from Israel because you guys have been under fire and unrelenting terror since 1948, if you go back to the partition plan, and even before. What does America have to learn as a result of this? BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, FORMER PRIME MINISTER, ISRAEL: Well, I think we all have to learn that unless we stop this horrendous terror, these attacks will increase and will ultimately exact~ a price of such magnitude that even this horror in Manhattan and on the Pentagon would look pale in comparison. I think Vice President Quayle, who spoke just a minute ago on this program, had it right. This is -- and he was echoing, I think, the main observation of President Bush in his -- his historic speech. He said, "We're not just going to deal with the terrorists, we're going to deal with the regimes that make this -- the terrorism possible." And some of these regimes are in the process of developing these weapons of mass destruction. HANNITY: Yeah, what you -- what you say about it is a sustained, uncompromising battle, including the countries that sponsor it worldwide, and it's going to grow. But we've got to go after all the sponsors. This is not just Afghanistan. We're talking about the Sudan. We're talking about Iraq and Iran and -- and some of these other countries. You say what is at stake here today is nothing less than the survival of civilization. NETANYAHU: Yes, it is. Well, you know, 60 years ago, there was another hate-filled ideology, Nazism, that knew no bounds. It was willing to do anything. It was willing to kill millions of people, gas millions of people, as, in fact, it did... HANNITY: Right. NETANYAHU: ... in the pursuit of its mad fantasies of racial superiority. Now -- and -- and Hitler almost -- almost developed nuclear weapons. He had missiles. He lobbed it on London. If he had nuclear weapons, history would have stopped. HANNITY: Right. NETANYAHU: Now these mad terrorists, who are fueled by an anti-Western... HANNITY: Sentiment. NETANYAHU: ... militant Islam, a virulent strain of Islam, want to reverse a thousand years of history, and they want to destroy the main engine of the West-... HANNITY: Right. NETANYAHU: ... which is the United States. So they will attack you again and again and again. And unless you dismantle this network and the regimes that support it are neutralized, the consequences will be tremendous... COLMES: Mr. Prime Minister, you... NETANYAHU: ... for the free world. COLMES: ... you've said in your -- when you spoke before Congress that this could not exist~ without state sponsorship. NETANYAHU: That's right. COLMES: There's much more to this than just Usama bin Laden. NETANYAHU: Right. COLMES: How deep does it go? And do we then go to war with certain states, as a result of this? NETANYAHU: Well, I think you are at war. And President Bush called it correctly a war on terrorism. What else is it when 6,000... COLMES: But it's not just a bunch of isolated cells. It's -- we're talking about -- in order to have this kind of infrastructure, you need some state to sponsor it. NETANYAHU: Well, it's -- it's actually not that many states who are sponsoring it. It's Iraq. It's Iran. It's -- it's Afghanistan, Taliban Afghanis. It's Yasir Arafat dictatorship, Syria -- Syria and Syrian- controlled... COLMES: Could they all be... NETANYAHU: ... Lebanon. COLMES: Are they all connected? NETANYAHU: Well, they have these groups... HANNITY: It's a network. NETANYAHU: Each of them have groups. For example -- just to give you an example. Arafat's Hamas -- the Hamas and Islamic Jihad, who operate in Arafat's domain, cooperate with the Hezbollah, and the Hezbollah is their link to bin Laden and to Iran. So they each support one another. HANNITY: Right. NETANYAHU: They also support one other not only operationally and in training camps -- bin Laden -- bin Laden's al-Qaeda was in Lebanon, in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, just a short time ago. But they also support each other politically, as you saw in this ghoulish spectacle in Durban, when they basically wanted to accuse the victims, the United States... HANNITY: It was a disgrace. NETANYAHU: The United States and Israel are accused of being racist countries that abuse human rights by the likes of Iran... HANNITY: Yeah. NETANYAHU: ... Syria and Libya. Well, even Orwell would have... HANNITY: We did the right thing... NETANYAHU: ... a tough time thinking about that one. HANNITY: ... by pulling out. We got to take a break. We're going to have more with the prime minister coming up in mere moments. Also coming up, former U.N. ambassador Bill Richardson. He'll join the debate tonight. And later: What are the military options for America's war on terrorism? That's all straight ahead. More with Benjamin Netanyahu coming up. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) COLMES: Welcome back to our coverage on the war on terrorism. I'm Alan Colmes. We continue with former Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The London "Sunday Telegraph" had a story that the Mossad had some information about cells of terrorists in this country and that they informed the United States in August about this. Are you aware of that? NETANYAHU: Well, I couldn't comment it even if I were because that -- I think that should remain private... COLMES: Sure. NETANYAHU: ... information. But in point of fact, I really have nothing to comment on that one. COLMES: The Mossad is known to be one of the best intelligence organizations in the world. I wonder what the United States can learn from the Mossad. NETANYAHU: Well, I'll tell you, I think we can -- we help each other. And by the way, there wasn't a single day when I was prime minister that we didn't help each other. We gave the U.S. intelligence... COLMES: Right. NETANYAHU: ... the U.S. gave us intelligence. But as much as I value and consider the importance of intelligence sharing or law enforcement, in its essence, fighting this international terrorist perfidy is not a question of intelligence. It is a question, really, of the will to apply the punitive military political and economic sanctions not only to terrorists, but on the regimes that sustain them. It was said very well by one the congressman, I think Congressman Shays, in a hearing that... COLMES: Chris Shays of Connecticut. Yeah. NETANYAHU: ... from -- he said, "Look, if you -- if you want to fight malaria, you don't go just after the mosquitoes. You have to dry the swamp." And I think this is exactly the right image, the right analogy for the swamp that has to be dried here. COLMES: Well, you then say it's not just about who was involved in the terror attack... NETANYAHU: No. COLMES: ... on September 11th, but about anybody who may have participated with these groups or be in sympathy with them... NETANYAHU: Yes. COLMES: ... and planning maybe additional actions down the road. NETANYAHU: Yes. Yes. And I think -- I think there are two questions here. There are two sets of questions. One is what do you do operationally against the groups and against the states? That's one set of questions. But what they're going to try to do is prevent you from doing it by fuzzying up the moral clarity so well expressed in the president -- in President Bush's speech because what they'll try do is get the U.S., that leads this action, to start parsing out and say, "Well, there's some good terrorists, and there's some bad terrorists," you know? And some of them we leave aside, and the others -- I don't mean just tactically... COLMES: Right. NETANYAHU: ... in the normal course of a war, but permanently. And I think what has to be understood is that terrorism is indivisible. COLMES: Right. NETANYAHU: It's an indivisible evil. It has to be indivisibly and universally excoriated and put beyond the pale. HANNITY: Mr. Prime Minister, I want to ask you something, because Israel has suffered under this for decades now, terrorism. And this is new for a lot of Americans that are just finding out about groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and this other -- this Usama bin Laden and the terror network. Explain -- and you -- I thought you said this well to Congress, when you were there, when you explained they hate America. They hate our values. And what their goal is -- why don't you explain that to people. NETANYAHU: Look, there -- there are -- each one the constituent parts of this network is involved in a local conflict, and they have their own local ambitions. But the heart, the center of gravity of this terrorist network is a anti -- a strident anti-Western militancy that -- a militant Islamic thrust that seeks to reverse the rise of the West and replace in its place a twisted interpretation of Islam. And to do that -- first of all, why do they hate the West? Because they believe in a regimented world that is frozen in time many centuries ago. And they view all our freedoms -- the things we take for granted, the fact I can talk to you and you can ask me any question and that there are 105 competing stations right now -- but you... HANNITY: They're all watching you, by the way. (LAUGHTER) NETANYAHU: Well, I hope -- I hope your ratings justify that. But I think -- I think that -- I think they can't stand this idea of liberty, individual rights, choice, the fact that women have a life of their own, the fact that you can choose what music you want to hear, what books you want to read. This is anathema to them, and for this they're willing to do something that other movements of domination did not want to do. You take communism, for example. The communists also had an irrational goal of world domination, based on a twisted view of human nature. But they pursued that goal rationally. And anytime they had to choose between their ideology and survival, as in Berlin or in Cuba, they always backed off. These people pursue an irrational goal irrationally... HANNITY: But -- but... NETANYAHU: ... and they're willing to~ sacrifice not only their own lives -- your lives, but their own lives in the process. HANNITY: Right. And they think they're going to go to heaven and meet Allah and have 72 virgins waiting for them when they get... (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: ... shows the fanaticism. NETANYAHU: That's right. Did you ever have suicide bombers, communist suicide bombers? Never. HANNITY: No. But you know, if you talk about -- for those that perhaps put their head in the sand and they've forgotten the last 100 years of human history and man's inhumanity to man, starting with Nazism and fascism and -- and communism and all that have died in the -- in the conquest mentality of them, you brought some pictures with you. You want to explain? NETANYAHU: Well, you know... HANNITY: What these are. NETANYAHU: I want you to see one of the suicide bomb factories is Yasir Arafat's domain. It's in an very important center here, both in its international... (CROSSTALK) NETANYAHU: Well, I'll show it to you in a minute. But before that, I want to tell you, we just ended the summer. HANNITY: Right. NETANYAHU: In the summer, there were kindergarten camps in Gaza teaching 3-year-olds how to be suicide bombers. Now... HANNITY: But could you explain one thing. Schools for – Palestinian children are taught to hate Israelis, hate Jewish people... NETANYAHU: And hate Americans. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: We only have about a minute, so... NETANYAHU: Well, here's -- here's what we see today. I got this off the Internet. We had a bombing in Jerusalem, a suicide bombing of a Sbarro pizzeria in the heart of Jerusalem. HANNITY: Right. NETANYAHU: You can see that this is now reproduced... HANNITY: Right. NETANYAHU: ... in a university in Nablus under Arafat. And they have now -- they've reconstructed the restaurant. Look what they've got inside -- a pizzeria, an oven... HANNITY: Right. NETANYAHU: ... with a pizza -- slabs of human flesh, a hand where I'm holding right here... HANNITY: Oh! NETANYAHU: ... a human hand, blood on the -- blood here. COLMES: Horrifying. NETANYAHU: This is what they're teaching. So this is Arafat, who's shedding crocodile tears. HANNITY: This is our enemy! NETANYAHU: This is the man that people thought we could make peace with. HANNITY: Oh! COLMES: We're just out of time. Mr. Prime minister, I'm glad to see you wearing an American and an Israeli flag. HANNITY: Yeah. COLMES: (INAUDIBLE) Thank you. NETANYAHU: Today, after the World Trade Center, we're all Americans. COLMES: Thank you, Mr. Netanyahu. |
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